With a unique band color, these Seiko watches are excellent for a one-of-a-kind timepiece. SNAE17) or a stainless steel case with blue hard coating and a stainless steel bracelet with three-fold slasp (ref. Even the barely domed Hardlex sits below the bezel. Please return all item's that came in package back with package. A rare Seiko 8M35 Levante Yacht Timer for sale Ad from shop VintageUkrainianGift Negotiable for serious buyer King3444watches We do this with marketing and advertising partners (who may have their own information theyve collected). 2022.04.03 I added pictures of an Aquastar Tissot Regate caseback with an alternative Aquastar engraving. Any watch returned must be in same condition it was shipped. Inspired by the older mechanical movements, Seiko developed their quartz movement with the 5-dot countdown system, caliber 6M37-6010. Saying no will not stop you from seeing Etsy ads or impact Etsy's own personalization technologies, but it may make the ads you see less relevant or more repetitive. 6M37-8000, ref. Shipping is free for all orders within continental United States unless customer select expedited shipping. Delivered by DHL express, Within ONE business day to Europe. Awesome! SEQ010J). In time-mode, when the watch shows the actual time, the hour hand seems a bit odd. Ad from shop TheRegencyChessCo More info in the Yema section. Ad from shop ElRitmoRetro My only real complaint with the Seiko 8M35 Yacht Timer is with its spindly minutes hand. Timekeepersolive FREE shipping, $694.30 My example is shown above, pre-restoration, and will be covered upon its return, but lets turn our attention to the legends successor, the Seiko 8M35 Yacht Timer. This was likely there when purchased and the fact that you can still see this helps provide evidence that this watch was rarely worn. Found something you love but want to make it even more uniquely you? Pink face watches will add an eye-catching detail to any look. AntiquesCollectible We use cookies on our website to support technical features that enhance your user experience. This watch is used and in very good condition. Sellers looking to grow their business and reach more interested buyers can use Etsys advertising platform to promote their items. In fact, Id bet that less than a handful of them come up for sale each year and Im relatively confident in saying this as I track them semi-seriously.. Timegoesby67 At first, I thought this was dial damage, but its on every one I viewed. ElRitmoRetro BAND: This 7A28 comes with a light brown leather strap; it also comes with a green, white, and blue nylon NATO strap. FREE shipping, ad by HouseofRube Red band wristwatches are great for adding a pop of color to any outfit. 1995Seiko introduced the Yacht Timer Sports 200 models, as part of The Great Blue series. The general timer allows for a countdown function of up to 30 minutes and the Match 0 function allows both hands to be reset to 12:00. From shop Bvsiness, $338.09 Please note this Yacht Timer comes with original 7A28 manual and warranty paperwork, hang tag, and inner/outer boxes. Good news! Watchaholics At Baselworld 2007, Seiko launched a new marine collection, the Velatura. Ad from shop HouseofRube From shop VintageWatchesEG, $450.00 Soon they were followed bypocket watches and watches with an alarm function. More like a seconds hand actually. Ad from shop vintagestore24 From shop CASIO1980, ad by Watchaholics TheRegencyChessCo VintageUkrainianGift It immediately stood out for its design. Caliber: Seiko 6M37 quartz yachttimer movement. Ivory face wristwatches are traditional and tasteful accessories that will never go out of style. Learn how your comment data is processed. And as I said before, the movement runs counterclockwise in timer mode. FREE shipping, $53.00 Typically, orders of $35 USD or more (within the same shop) qualify for free standard shipping from participating Etsy sellers. (20% off), ad by Timegoesby67 UniqueWatchJapan The collection included two newcalibers, one of them the Yachting Timer caliber 7T84. Seiko Velatura Yachting Timer, SPC041P1 and SPC049P1. Shipping time is usually between 2 and 6 day's. From shop RubenStuff, ad by FlamingDeals From shop BigLouAntiqueGems, Sale Price $480.00 (20% off), ad by Anonmodern20 Seiko gentlemans stainless steel bracelet SEIKO Montre bracelet en acier, botier SEIKO Montre bracelet chronomtre d'homme Seiko 5 Superior Automatic 23J Wristwatch. Cal. SBBH005) or with a black case and dial (ref. Seiko Velatura Yachting Timer, SPC005P1 and SPC007P1. Compared to the 8M35 models, the 8M37 models have the movement mounted up-side-down. Please. Choose the options youd like for the order. Privacy Policy, 39mm diameter, 10.5mm thickness, 46mm lug to lug, 20mm lug width. Ad from shop VintageDuMarko While many of the items on Etsy are handmade, youll also find craft supplies, digital items, and more. If you need to return and item, the sales team will issue a RMA # and return instruction. Its entirely analog but feels digital. In 2020 alone, purchases on Etsy generated nearly $4 billion in income for small businesses. Powered by Shopify. Plus, with a tough-looking plastic and metal rotating 60 minute bezel, the watch looks like it could stand up to the typical knocking around that likely occurs on a boat. Its also home to a whole host of one-of-a-kind items made with love and extraordinary care. $131.60, $188.00 Does shopping on Etsy help support small businesses? translation missing: en.general.accessibility.unit_price_separator. Finally the cal. Ad from shop Timekeepersolive Ad from shop RubenStuff SGX006. From shop watchcollection60, $49.45 Ad from shop Watchaholics 4 product ratings - SEIKO PROSPEX Speed Timer SBDL085 Solar White Silver SS Round Analog Men's, 57 product ratings - Seiko Arnie SNJ025 Hybrid Prospex Analog Digital 48mm Solar Diver Watch 200M, 9 product ratings - Seiko Men's Presage Cocktail Time Red Dial Leather Strap Watch SRPE41, Seiko Prospex SBEP003 Field Master Lowercase Produce Model Japan W2, Seiko Prospex SBEP001 Field Master Lowercase Produce Model Japan W1, Seiko Sks557 Quartz Stainless Steel Chronograph Date 100m Men's Watch Sks557p1. In the early 1990s, Seiko turned its attention to creating a far more focused set of regatta timers. The bands are made from hypoallergenic materials, so they will be a great fit for people with allergies to certain metals. You've already signed up for some newsletters, but you haven't confirmed your address. The 7A28-7020, for example, was worn by Roger Moore in the 1985 James Bond movie A View ToA Kill. Our goal is to make you a happy customer and coming back for more! From early 1990 Seiko produced two series of yacht timer watches, the 8M35 and the 8M37 models. Ad from shop AntiquesCollectible VintageWatchesEG The mode is shown in the lower register and is highlighted by a black triangular hand that outlines the pie-shaped mode indicator. Our global marketplace is a vibrant community of real people connecting over special goods. Gray band watches will add a touch of elegance to any ensemble. We also created 2.6 million jobs in the U.S.enough to employ the entire city of Houston, TX! For countdown timing, I understand its size as the hand needs to fit within the small scale on the upper portion of the dial, but it makes everyday time telling a bit of a hunt. VintageDuMarko Try using a different browser or disabling ad blockers. FREE shipping, ad by CASIO1980 The last one was released for the 1992 USA Olympic games. We ship within 24 hours after order has been placed. Yema Americas Cup, with a Seiko 8M35 movement, white or black dial. Seiko 8m35 quartz, countdown mode, pre-set of timer with 5-10-15 minute intervals, free-set timer can be set to 1 minute intervals up to 30 minutes. Japanese version Shipping policies vary, but many of our sellers offer free shipping when you purchase from them. Obviously Seiko stepped away from the 5-dot countdown system again. I hope you enjoy reading it! On its original 20mm rubber strap, the watch is lightweight and comfortable. vintageshopbysilas Now, if youre at all a student of the Seiko game, you know that a 7A28 Yacht Timer now costs anywhere from $800 1500 depending on condition and location of sale. Note the slightly blue shade of the index surround at the 5-minute countdown marker (otherwise, known as 11:00). Cal. SBBH009. vintagestore24 I added two pictures of the new Boldr Odyssey Regatta with an Admiral-blue dial and bezel, with Ice-blue subdials. Also in 2007, Seiko was selected as the Watch Partner of the International 49er Class Association. (10% off), ad by UniqueWatchJapan Your Watch is delivered by air by DHL express Only 1 to 2 business days to Europe the features of this watch include Stainless steel case 38 mm wide (Excluding the crown) White dial Seiko quartz movement Mineral glass Yacht timer function water resistant Seiko Stainless steel strap 180 mm x 18 mm Seiko Box Please carefully examine the photographs of the watch. We Pride Ourselves in offering onlynew Authentic watches. Important No Seiko Yacht Timer Men's Watch Model Ref no 8M37-7000 This is a lovely example of a rare vintage Seiko Yacht Timer watch. Create one here, it'll only take 20 seconds. There seems to be a problem serving the request at this time, One stop shop for all things from your favorite brand. Note the different selection tools. FREE shipping, ad by TYMELeather Great looking version!! Still, though, a watch like the Seiko 8M35 Yacht Timer adds enough character and mechanical functionality to make it an interesting buy and one you wont see at every watch meetup. In 1983, Seiko unveiled to the world the first ever quartz analog chronograph, the 7A28 - a 15 jewel, fully adjustable quartz movement with zero plastic parts in the gear train and a movement that can be serviced and adjusted just like a mechanical watch due to its innovative construction. CrashBangRetro Now, Ill be very frank with youever since scuttling a crappy Hobie Cat somewhere in the Keys at age 12 while at a summer Sea camp, Ive cared little for sailing. View cart for details. Etsy uses cookies and similar technologies to give you a better experience, enabling things like: Detailed information can be found in Etsys Cookies & Similar Technologies Policy and our Privacy Policy. All functions work. SBBH007). (30% off), ad by VintageDuMarko That automatically means the crown and pushers are placed on opposite sides. CASE: Stainless-steel bead-blasted matte case measures 40mm (w/o crown) x 45.5mm, with matching caseback. {"modules":["unloadOptimization","bandwidthDetection"],"unloadOptimization":{"browsers":{"Firefox":true,"Chrome":true}},"bandwidthDetection":{"url":"https://ir.ebaystatic.com/cr/v/c1/thirtysevens.jpg","maxViews":4,"imgSize":37,"expiry":300000,"timeout":250}}, Seiko Prospex White Men's Watch - SBDL085, Seiko Prospex Men's Black Watch - SNJ031P1, Casio Wave Ceptor Black Men's Wristwatch - WVA-M630B-3AJF, Seiko Prospex Men's Black Watch - SBDL091. Admittedly, though, I usually wear it on leather or a NATO. FREE shipping, ad by BigLouAntiqueGems From shop vintageshopbysilas, ad by driuwhout We offer top notch customer service before, during, and after each sell. From shop Partsofworld, Sale Price $234.72 This hand then becomes the second hand for an accurate countdown. Our accurate descriptions and highly magnified & detailed photos show you exactly what you're getting. You can contact me for corrections, additions or just a quick mail at mark@regatta-yachttimers.com or by using the Contact-page. 8M37-6000, either with a silver case and dial (ref. TUH996PM, or two-tone case ref. From shop TYMELeather, ad by SCWatchMod Also, note the Daini symbol on the bottom of the dial and case back proof that this still belongs in the vintage category. In the years to follow the caliber 7A28 was used in a great number of different models. In its normal position, the crown can be moved forward or backward and this changes the mode of the watch. You can track on line at every stage at DHL Web site, https://www.lot-art.com/auction-lots/Seiko-NO-RESERVE-PRICE-Yacht-Timer-8M37-7000-Men-1990-1999/49248717-seiko_no-28.6.21-catawiki. All functions work. Ad from shop vintageshopbysilas Under Add your personalization, the text box will tell you what the seller needs to know. Original Seiko Box included. Youll see ad results based on factors like relevancy, and the amount sellers pay per click. The seller might still be able to personalize your item. It has the blue bezel, and the original blue silicone watch band, also perfect. SPC007P1 black dial with black rubber strap. 1 day handling time. $480.00, $600.00 Ad from shop TYMELeather In timer-mode the movement runs actualy counterclockwise! Please be certain prior to purchasing that you want what we are offering. Dont see this option? Whereas the first Yacht Timer was little more than a 7A28 with the right color scheme, the Seiko 8M35 Yacht Timer was created to time races. Ad from shop SCWatchMod From shop driuwhout, ad by Loopndots Ad from shop driuwhout SKB004P. New leather strap Ad from shop Bvsiness (20% off), ad by Bvsiness 8M35-6010, the more rare silver version, cal. FREE shipping, $55.23 Finding The Best Beater Watches Today Five Highlights From Seiko, Hamilton, Citizen, And More, One Month With My Seiko SPB317J1 The Perfect Summer Watch I Didnt Know I Was Waiting For, Bosphorus Leather Brings Evermore Luxurious Storage Solutions To The Masses, The Watch I Wore On My Summer Holidays Ben Shares His One And Only Pick From Omega, #TBT Why Vintage Watches Need More Green Straps. The brands tradition in sports timing started at the 1964 Olympic Games in Tokyo, where they served as Official Timekeeper. All Rights Reserved. Tel. Setting 15/10/5 modes moves the needle-like hand to the appropriate countdown area on the upper track. FREE shipping, $53.45 "But that wheel made of alternating light and royal blue pies when combined with a yellow hand adds just enough color to make this piece a real lookerthe Yacht Timers are rare, rare, rare. SBBH013, and the 6M37-8019, ref. The 9 oclock minutes sub register features a 30-minutes counter, devided in 6 x 5 minutes in alternately light and royal blue, and a distinct yellow hand. Of course, a quartz movement enables this, but it makes for a really slick wear under a shirtsleeve. CASIO1980 Delivery - Your watch will be very carefully wrapped. Copyright 2022 Regatta Yachttimers. Try contacting them via Messages to find out! CHRONOGRAPH PUSHERS: Chronograph pushers depress with satisfying click no sticking. FREE shipping, ad by VintageWatchesEG Original Price $188.00 Despite a water resistance of 150M and a stated anti magnetic rating of 60 Gauss, the Seiko is a very thin watch. Original Price $81.00 See each listing for international shipping options and costs. 8M37-7000, ref. The brand created seriously styled stainless versions, gold plated variants, and even hooked up with Giugiaro to create some funky 7A28s that found their way into Aliens. Elegant yet sporty, suitable for ladies too From shop vintagestore24, Sale Price $115.36 But when you switch to timer mode, you understand why. Copyright 1995-2022 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. SGX006, 1992. This watch is used and in very good condition. 2022.01.09 I added some pictures I got from Bruce Mackie of an amazing and very rare unbranded Yachting stopwatch. Partsofworld It may be a little complicated to use at first but online instructions are available. Welcome to my website www.regatta-yachttimers.com, which is dedicated to the history of regatta watches with mainly mechanical movements. Not with a special countdown function, but with a coloured 5-10-15 minutes subdial. Please make sure correct address and info is entered correctly. We offer some of the best pricing in the watch industry for individuals looking for good value in a timepiece. They are of the actual item for sale and give a clear guide to the condition of the watch No reserve price - Great opportunity to acquire a rare vintage Seiko Model Please note - before you bid - please take into account you will have to pay extra import VAT and customs duties on your order if you live in an EU country. 15,10,5 minutes countdown, timer Eager to read how it turned out I have one of these that needs a restoration myself . Fratello Watches BV The Seiko company was founded in 1881, when Kintar Hattori opened a watch and jewelryshopin Tokyo. SPC049P1 titanium case with leather/nylon strap. DIAL: Colorful and rare regatta dial, with matching hands; lume shines. Mind if I ask, but who is restoring your 7A28? We take care of our customers in a professional matter and with honesty. In the operatingmanual you can read howthe countdown system works, clickhere to download the English version. There was a problem subscribing you to this newsletter. SEQ001P) and 8M35-800A (ref. But its one watch, and consider this a preview of an article to come, within the series that seems to garner the most praise: the Seiko 7A28 Yacht Timer. If there are missing booklets, links, tag's, and any damage to the watch itself, a fee depending on damage or missing item's could be deducted from refund. Eleven years later, in 1892, he founded the company Seikosha Co, where initiallywall clocks were produced. The Seiko SPB143 Revisited: Waiting Out The Hype For A Proper First Impression, The Watches Ive Taken On My Summer Holiday RJ Shares His Picks From Omega And Swatch, The Green Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch In Moonshine Gold Might Not Be The Best But Still Looks Like A Winner, Sunday Morning Showdown: Rolex Explorer II 16570 Vs. Tudor Black Bay Pro, Icons From Rolex, Patek Philippe, And Audemars Piguet Are Losing Momentum, Sunday Morning Showdown: Tudor Black Bay GMT Vs. Longines Spirit Zulu Time GMT, My Ultimate Summer Watch Is The Omega Speedmaster Professional Moonshine Gold Panda, A Much-Awaited Hands-On Encounter With The New Green Omega Seamaster Professional 300M, #TBT Seiko 8M35 Yacht Timer How Seiko Replaced a Legend, Introducing: The New Seiko Astron GPS Solar 5X series (Live Pictures), Two Patek Philippe Nautilus Watches: 3700/1A Versus 5711/1A, The Omega Seamaster Diver 300M Returns On The Wrist Of Daniel Craig, Create one here, it'll only take 20 seconds. The memories of being lost, hopping out of this boat with a buddy, swimming through a bay to the seawall, and then having to climb a security fence to get to the nearest building to phone for help have left me cold on the sport. Operating manual : No trade sales only They produced several models, which are now listed in the Brand list. This 7A28 regatta comes with original manual/warranty paperwork, hang tag, boxes, leather strap, nylon NATO strap, Pelican travel case, and springbar tool. Occasionally a regatta watch with a quartz movement will be described as well. SCWatchMod This page was last updated: 29-Jul 21:08. hold ourselves to a higher standard than the typical seller. Save vintage seiko yacht timer to get e-mail alerts and updates on your eBay Feed. From shop King3444watches, $1,068.15 Using the Seiko 8M35 Yacht Timer is a neat experience. Seiko Pepsi Automatic Gentlemans Sports Seiko Bellmatic Alarm Wristwatch Circa 1980 A Seiko Kinetic 100M gents stainless steel A Seiko stainless steel cased chronograph SEIKO. Pricing ranges from $150 350 and watches are found, correctly, with either a blue or black bezel. Amounts shown in italicized text are for items listed in currency other than Canadian dollars and are approximate conversions to Canadian dollars based upon Bloomberg's conversion rates. SKB003P, and two-tone case and silver dial, ref. Something went wrong. Seiko Yacht Timer Men's Watch Model Ref no 8M37-7000 This is a lovely example of a rare vintage Seiko Yacht Timer watch. $234.72, $293.40 (919) 986-9009 info@chronobuy.store, 2022 Chronobuy Again the brand developed a new quartz regatta movement, the caliber 6M37, this time inspired by the old mechanical movements that used the 5-dot countdown system (first used by Aquastar in the 1960s). It may be a little complicated to use at first but online instructions are available. Watch is in very mint condition, no scratches no dents, probably unworn The Seiko 8M35 Yacht Timer is a watch that Id admired from afar for a long time and finally decided to buy and Im glad I did. Fill out the requested information. We are a new companyandwehold ourselves to a higher standard than the typical seller. Important No Shipment delays. Vintage Seiko is hot right now and I realize that most of us, including me, prefer the mechanical side of things. RubenStuff The watch is available with either a stainless steel case with black hard coating and a polyurethane strap (ref. From shop Timegoesby67, $169.66 Great! From shop TheRegencyChessCo, $72.74 Deal at Admiralty MRT Stn, https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/47bad026-387f-4348-88ca-9c359e25bca6. The fact that these big pushers [the start/stop button on the upper right and the split timing pusher on the upper left would be the two most used functions on the watch] are added to a very slim case exaggerates the view furtherif it werent for that wonderful burst of color that defines the 9:00 minutes sub register, you could characterize the watch as plain. Until next week. TYMELeather Theyre not overdone or overbearing design wise something that most modern watch designers seemingly struggle with today. We inspect all returns and they must be in new condition as sold originally with all return requirements. 2021.04.17 In a couple of days the new BOLDR Odyssey Regatta will be for sale! 8M35-8000/8009 (ref. Page from a Japanese magazine showing some of the cal. (20% off), ad by ElRitmoRetro Choose a Seiko watch with a timer to immediately complete any outfit. From shop Loopndots, ad by TheRegencyChessCo Ad from shop King3444watches Both cal. Join our mailing list for new arrivals, news, and more, - like this freshly full serviced and legitimately rare 1983 Seiko 7A28-7090 regatta here, with original 7A28 manual/warranty paperwork, hang tag, and inner/outer boxes. Ad from shop FlamingDeals The first model that was released, is the cal. watchcollection60 Copyright 1995-2022 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Signup for our newsletter to stay up to date on sales and events. Then, the upper pusher stops and starts the timer and the lower resets. All functions work perfectly Originally with a black rubber strap. Equipped with the same movement as the rest of the lineup, the watch combines just enough bright color with a white dial, massive pushers with a small crown, and a refreshingly traditional case. SPC143P1 brushed and polished stainless steel case and bracelet fixed blue bezel blue dial. From shop SCWatchMod, ad by watchcollection60 Terms & Conditions Click Buy it now or Add to cart and proceed to checkout. I believe Seiko are of a good quality but I guess Linjer, Nordgreen, Larrson and Jennings or DW offer more beautiful watch designs. I added the brand to the Brandlist. SAY080. 2022.01.06 I did some more investigation of the history of Seiko's Yacht Timers. Ad from shop Loopndots From shop Watchaholics, Sale Price $131.60 Please do check out the Stopwatch section! Any orders over $1000.00 will have a 10% restocking fee, and orders below that value will not have a restocking fee. HouseofRube Pm if interested document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Obviously both with a Seiko 8M37 movement. As the printed version. remembering account, browser, and regional preferences, remembering privacy and security settings, personalized search, content, and recommendations, helping sellers understand their audience, showing relevant, targeted ads on and off Etsy. If you have questions, we have answers. SEQ008J) and full gold (ref. Todays edition of #TBT takes a look at a watch from one of our favorite brands, but its a piece that few discuss or even mention. Free PriorityShippingon all orders in continental U.S. 8M37 models. CRYSTAL: Hardlex crystal, no cracks or deep scratches. We will do all we can to correct the issue or problem and resolve it. TAG Heuer Carrera Red Dial Limited Edition Is This The Best Modern Carrera Yet? Please do. This will differ depending on what options are available for the item. Loopndots With it, Seiko and its 7A28 entered history as the worlds first analog quartz movement - the 7A28 would grow to eventually come in over forty variations, including models issued to the military and those used in movies (including James Bond and Aliens, among others); some were issued to the United Kingdoms Ministry of Defence and the South African Air Force. YUH999PM. From shop VintageDuMarko, Sale Price $360.00 Looks great on the wrist. With a timer, these Seiko watches are great to use for your everyday tasks. The watch was rarely worn by me (I always felt it was a bit large for my 6.5 wrist).Is eBay the best place to try to sell it? All chronograph hands reset as designed to zero. Ad from shop Anonmodern20 Have a look; this Yacht Timer is one of those cheap and cheerful packages to receive in the mail. Besides setting the time, it also uses the crown as a selection tool by which you can choose the mode of the watch, as shown in one of the registers. Low baller will be blocked With the launch of the Velatura series in 2007, Seiko rose to the challenge to build watches that perform on the open ocean, with a collection characterized by robustness, high functionality and durability. FREE shipping, $875.00 Some of the technologies we use are necessary for critical functions like security and site integrity, account authentication, security and privacy preferences, internal site usage and maintenance data, and to make the site work correctly for browsing and transactions. From shop HouseofRube, ad by vintagestore24 From handmade pieces to vintage treasures ready to be loved again, Etsy is the global marketplace for unique and creative goods. ad by Partsofworld Anonmodern20 Seiko - "NO RESERVE PRICE" Yacht Timer - 8M37-7000 - Men - 1990-1999. ShopeVintageBoutique SPC147P1 brushed and polished stainless steel case and bracelet with rubber centre links fixed black bezel black dial. Learn more. FREE shipping, ad by RubenStuff I purchased it from a local jewelry store and Im the original owner. With the introduction of the Seiko 8M35 Yacht Timer, the brand installed a new four jewel quartz movement called you guessed it the 8M35. Set where you live, what language you speak, and the currency you use. The watch is perfect, and just had a new battery installed by the jewelry store where I bought it. Please for any reason there is an issue with your order or you are not 100% satisfied with your purchase, please contact the Chronobuy sales team by email. In the Brand-list you will find an overview of all the different brands and models I have been writing about so far. We only ship items to matching billing address for our protection and our customer's. From shop CrashBangRetro, ad by Timekeepersolive FREE shipping. In the early 1980s, Seiko introduced the 7A28 caliber as the worlds first analog quartz chronograph (we looked at a 7A38 with date function).